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Ice Age 3! Plus, suspending reality...

  • Jul. 14th, 2009 at 8:57 AM
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I finally got to see Ice Age 3 yesterday, and I have to applaud Blue Sky Studios. They may not be Pixar or Disney, but they understand what the others do: it's the characters that make the story. I'd already gotten attached to the main trio in the first movie (Manny the mammoth, Diego the Sabertooth tiger, and Sid the sloth). It took a bit of warming up to the new additions in the second movie (Crash and Eddie, the two possums and their sister, Ellie the female mammoth), but by the end I liked them too. I'll admit that when I heard the premise of the third movie it sounded pretty dumb to me. Dinosaurs? What? But, I enjoyed the first two movies enough that I wanted to see it anyway.

I am so glad I did! We have all the main characters from the first two movies, plus an interesting development. The whole theme of parenthood struck a chord with me since I too want to be a mother one of these days... Also, the addition of dinosaurs wasn't as bad as I feared. In fact, it made things fun when the main characters realized they weren't the largest animals alive. I don't want to spoil anything, but if you liked the first two movies, you'll enjoy this one as well.

Also, support [info]merc16! I saw your name in the credits! The animation and lighting were spectacular!

Now onto suspending reality... I was reading reviews last night, and apparently Ice Age 3 got pretty dour reviews since people can't get past Ice Age mammals existing at the same time as (what should be extinct) dinosaurs. The explanation for why there are dinosaurs is never explained much in the movie, but it shouldn't have to be! I think people tend to forget that the very point of animation is to tell stories that cannot be told (well) in live-action. Have people forgotten that pandas don't learn Kung Fu moves? That houses can't really fly with balloons attached to them? That people cannot be turned into frogs! Lets not forget that mice don't walk around on two legs talking like the rest of us...

In short, it's stupid to discount a movie for not being factual when the very medium it's made in isn't factual. Honestly, the Ice Age movies never set out to be a specific time in our history. Plus, what are the odds that a predator (Diego) would form a herd with mammoths, or that even a sloth would tag along? What people embraced for one reason doesn't seem to hold true for another. Animation is fantastic, fantastic as in fanciful, fantasy, separate from reality. It's for this very reason those like Walt Disney ever dabbled in the medium in the first place.

If I ever see an animated feature that's based entirely on reality and has no fantastic elements at all, I might as well be watching a live-action film...

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[info]earthstar_chan wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2009 04:38 pm (UTC)
I saw it yesterday (and I'll probably make my own post about it later), and I loved it! I was worried that things might start to head downhill in quality like Shrek the Third did, but I was happy to be proven wrong. The story was good, I loved Buck and the ending was too cute!

[info]ichiban_victory wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2009 05:04 pm (UTC)
It says a lot for the Ice Age trilogy that the same voice actors have always come back to reprise their roles. Having each movie treated as an actual theatrical movie has to help the quality stay up there as well. I'd have to check the credits for all three movies, but I'm betting they had the same writers as well - or at least new writers who understood the characters. I never did see beyond half of Shrek 2, but Dreamworks has always been weak on making strong characters, they seem more to fit stereotypes. It's hard to have a stereotype endure for over three movies. :P

But seriously, Buck is awesome! I love the part when he's telling how he came to be how he is (great nod to Moby Dick there), but I really loved:

"Did you die?"
"Yes!"

You're so caught up in the moment that it takes a few seconds to register that...hey, how could he have died if he's still alive? XD They did an excellent job telling the whole story!
[info]danarchy84 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 07:38 am (UTC)
You gotta remember the whole quote:

"Did you die?"
"Yes! But I lived!"

I think that was my favorite line in the movie.
[info]beccastareyes wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2009 06:29 pm (UTC)
I don't know -- I might refer you to this post about two different types of fantasy fen. In other words, some people* still ask that their movies about magic and talking animals and what have you show some internal consistency and create a coherent world. So just saying that it's animated or that it's fantasy so it doesn't have to obey any rules bugs me -- it doesn't have to obey our rules, but it does have to have them. (So something like animals that evolved during a hot, non-glacial time (and apparently not-adapted to the current climate) interacting with those that lived during an ice age (even if they were comfortable with interglacial periods**) would bug me if there was no explanation. It would be like seeing African elephants or desert hares in Canada.)

I can allow a few things to slide and keep my suspension of disbelief, but pile on enough and it breaks.

* Probably including me.

** Earth tends to go through climate cycles where the poles are iced over and when they are not. Within the iced-over periods, there are periods of strong glaciation, and periods of not-so-strong glaciation (read: now). So right now, we're in an interglacial period, but the temperatures are still colder than they were during the Cretaceous.
[info]ichiban_victory wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:18 am (UTC)
I do like some basis in fact in my animated movies as well, but the reason for there being dinosaurs is explained. (It just doesn't go into detail.) I don't want to spoil it, but they weren't just traipsing around with the mammals. They were tucked away completely out of sight of the rest of the world.

(What if the elephants or hares were in a zoo in Canada?) ^_-
[info]beccastareyes wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
See, that's logic. If your African elephants are zoo escapees, that's why they are running around Canada.
[info]snapdragon76 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 01:28 am (UTC)
I saw this movie last week and I also really enjoyed it. I admit I was a bit dubious about there being dinosaurs alongside mammals, but the way it was presented made it kindasorta plausible. Like a Land of the Lost type thing.
[info]ichiban_victory wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
Yep, the 'plausible impossible'. It was one of Walt Disney's favorite elements of animation, which has been carried on past his studio. ^_-

Edited at 2009-07-15 02:20 am (UTC)
[info]kokumi009 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 02:59 am (UTC)
nooooes! spoilers!
*skips all the ice age 3 related sentences"
at least i know it's still as good as the previous two movies
this is going to my "to watch" list along with the upcomin Harry Potter movie, Night of the Museum 2, and Transformers 2 XD

Haha it's funny how people point out the flaws of the movie, which are based on the same concept that makes an animated movie entertaining
and besides, how do they know 100% that mammoths and dinosours didn't live together?
Just because they didn't find the bones physically together doesn't really exclude that statement. After all bones can only tell us so much.
[info]ichiban_victory wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
I secretly want to see Transformers 2 as well... ^_-;

Yeah, it is funny they point out such flaws, but now that I think on it, dinosaurs in the third movie isn't so weird after all. They did find a frozen T-Rex in the first movie, the creatures lurking in the water for the second movie were very dinosaur-like...so yeah, I guess it does make sense for the movie anyway. Regardless, I really did enjoy the movie. One of my favorite characters didn't even talk because her emotions were animated so well! People should see the movie if they liked the first two.
(And true about fossils. Plus, if people are to believe that dinosaurs did evolve, then in some sense they were coexisting with mammals.)
[info]kokumi009 wrote:
Jul. 15th, 2009 10:30 pm (UTC)
that is true, the dinosaurs have been making subtle appearances so i guess it shouldn't come too surprising XD
plus, every kid loves dinosaurs, at least i think they do

yup, if we stick to the evolution theory it does make sense. however, i'm still a bit skeptic about evolution theory so i don't wholly trust it.
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